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Thought this clip might help....

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redhotcoach

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I definitely see where her hips and hands are moving together, Is there a drill that is good for separating the hips and hands? Thanks for all of the great tips.

Looks pretty darn good up to contact. lMO who ever is working with her is doing pretty good. I wouldn't make big changes. Try doing the noontime drill we were talking about earlier today. Have her turn her rear foot quite a ways forward, like it would be at contact. Then load the the top half like she regularly does. Feel the pressure and stretch in the rear side. Feel the pull from the hip area to the shoulder and hands area. Fire that pull! Explode!
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Thats just one tweak. The other is learning to coil better like a few others have suggested. One thing though in the video her arms blur out after contact...I have concern that her bat is pulling out of the zone early...can't tell...but. If you do another video or next video if you have the full speed, put that on youtube, and I can pull that and sharpen it up on iMovie then slow it down and post a gif...should come out clearer.

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Not trying to hurt your feelings - I have taken swings all different ways and the only time I have come close to matching a swing like Ortiz (in terms of barrel path) has been when I have used my hands/wrists to get the barrel around right from the start....I have never said your swing advice wouldn't work - it obviously does....but it is not efficient nor adjustable....

Are you sure? Check out the angle between the bat and his shoulders until his elbow is pointing to the ground. Does it really look like he's using his hands from the start? Check out the angle of the front shoulder to the front elbow. Is it changing?

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Here's my breakdown of the five pics of David Ortiz's swing (mainly upper body):

Pic 1: Hip rotation has already started, shoulder rotation about to begin.

Pic 2: Back elbow begins to drop, hands stay relatively still as shoulders and torso begin rotation, and bat retains shoulders-to-bat angle less than 90 degrees.

Pic 3: Back elbow pointing straight down at the ground, torso rotating around spine, front shoulder socket rotating, pulling front arm to a decreased upper front arm to lower front arm angle, and shoulders-to-bat angle still less than 90 degrees.

Pic 4: Top hand now able to push in conjuction with the pull all along the front side and rotation of the torso, getting the barrel on and through the plane of the ball.

Pic 5: Contact. Bottom hand is palm-up and not rolling yet.



Based on these five freeze frames in order, I do not see any throwing of the barrel right at the start.
 
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Are you sure?
Am I sure? No, I am positive.

You are trying to base your opinions on a 2 dimensional view of 3 dimensional movement....you can only see lines and angles without taking into account things you cannot see from this angle....you are using a world is flat POV....

In this clip his rear elbow has already dropped/slotted....how can your elbow slot without your hands moving the barrel in some way? I have already posted the exercise where you watch yourself in the mirror and can see from 2 different perspectives how much the bat actually moves....that, my friend is a 3 dimensional view....

It's like the crappy way throwing gets taught....the real throwing movement is pretty hard to see with the naked eye if you don't know what to look for - so everything gets taught from one perspective....get the ball into the big L....

Are you sure? Check out the angle between the bat and his shoulders until his elbow is pointing to the ground. Does it really look like he's using his hands from the start? Check out the angle of the front shoulder to the front elbow. Is it changing?

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This description is how my 16 YO daughter might describe how a car works.....Step 1, put the key in....Step 2, turn the key....Step 3, put the car in drive.....

Here's my breakdown of the five pics of David Ortiz's swing (mainly upper body):

Pic 1: Hip rotation has already started, shoulder rotation about to begin.

Pic 2: Back elbow begins to drop, hands stay relatively still as shoulders and torso begin rotation, and bat retains shoulders-to-bat angle less than 90 degrees.

Pic 3: Back elbow pointing straight down at the ground, torso rotating around spine, front shoulder socket rotating, pulling front arm to a decreased upper front arm to lower front arm angle, and shoulders-to-bat angle still less than 90 degrees.

Pic 4: Top hand now able to push in conjuction with the pull all along the front side and rotation of the torso, getting the barrel on and through the plane of the ball.

Pic 5: Contact. Bottom hand is palm-up and not rolling yet.



Based on these five freeze frames in order, I do not see any throwing of the barrel right at the start.
 
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Am I sure? No, I am positive.

You are trying to base your opinions on a 2 dimensional view of 3 dimensional movement....you can only see lines and angles without taking into account things you cannot see from this angle....you are using a world is flat POV....

Let's see.....we have height, we have width, and we lack depth, so I guess throwing the barrel from the start as you state he is doing is his hands being thrown from his body out towards the camera, because that is the dimension we lack. Yeah, keep telling yourself that......

In this clip his rear elbow has already dropped/slotted....how can your elbow slot without your hands moving the barrel in some way? I have already posted the exercise where you watch yourself in the mirror and can see from 2 different perspectives how much the bat actually moves....that, my friend is a 3 dimensional view....

The bat can stay static during the slotting of the elbow if the top hand is loose around the bat, but that is not happening here. There is turning, but no throwing...remember, you said he throws the barrel from the start and that is obviously not happening.


Like I said, you keep stating what you think is proper terminology of a swing and I'll keep stating what I think is proper terminology of a swing. BTW, your other post concerning the steps....they were not steps, they were pics with descriptions of the slices of the swing timeline.

I have an idea, post a timeline of a hitter throwing the barrel from the start. Let's see how that works out........
 
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TDS

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I don't think based on where the ball is in these clips.... one has time to slot then swing.

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Really? - see I don't think you can see the barrel getting on plane from the side view. And getting the barrel on plane is throwing the barrel from the start....Even hitters who start flatter still have to get the barrel into the correct plane unless they are hitting off a tee and preset everything....

Does this make any sense to you?

How about this? The elbow slotting is part of the loading action and that's where the throw starts.

Let's see.....we have height, we have width, and we lack depth, so I guess throwing the barrel from the start as you state he is doing is his hands being thrown from his body out towards the camera, because that is the dimension we lack. Yeah, keep telling yourself that......



The bat can stay static during the slotting of the elbow if the top hand is loose around the bat, but that is not happening here. There is turning, but no throwing...remember, you said he throws the barrel from the start and that is obviously not happening.


Like I said, you keep stating what you think is proper terminology of a swing and I'll keep stating what I think is proper terminology of a swing. BTW, your other post concerning the steps....they were not steps, they were pics with descriptions of the slices of the swing timeline.

I have an idea, post a timeline of a hitter throwing the barrel from the start. Let's see how that works out........
 

rdbass

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Not here.
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Take note of the first pause in the GIF
RHC said:Try doing the noontime drill we were talking about earlier today. Have her turn her rear foot quite a ways forward, like it would be at contact. Then load the the top half like she regularly does. Feel the pressure and stretch in the rear side. Feel the pull from the hip area to the shoulder and hands area
 

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