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    Quote Originally Posted by Stever View Post
    Yes, gripping the bat where it rests at the base of the fingers as opposed to having the handle in the palm of the hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdbass View Post
    JBooth,
    Can you explain this further..keeping the hands back and throwing the barrel. I am missing what you mean because I thought what the young girl is doing in her swing was correct.I just want to get this part of the swing right for my DD. I thought the hands should lead the barrel and whip it to contact.I am at work and unable to slow the swing down frame by frame. I see the push part at the end of the swing. The beginning of the actual swing looks like she started correctly.Also is it possible the stopping of the swing could that be a result of high speed of pitching machine? I hear of posters cranking machines up to the 70mph. FFS again thanks for the gifs for people like me at work who can't view certain videos.
    It's hard to describe because the looks are very similar and it has to do with physics. I'll try to explain.

    The arms should be "in the process of extending" as the bat nears contact with the ball. The arms should not be pushed or pulled in a straight line. And they shouldn't reach full extension before contact. You "let" the arms extend, which they want to do because of tangential forces taking them away from the body.

    Likewise the bat is "in the process" of going around the hands, as the hands move. The bat should not be pushed at the ball. "Bat lag" is a position that can be seen in the swing, but it isn't a static position, it is a position that the bat moves through.

    To get better bat acceleration you TRY to keep the arms bent and the hands close to the body, and take them around the body. This puts maximum tangential acceleration into the barrel. If you push the bat in a straight line, or pull it, you take away a lot of the tangential acceleration. You cannot push the barrel in a straight line, as fast as you can whip it by arcing the hands.

    Extension is a follow through point. You don't extend before contact, you let the hands follow through and extend after contact.

    Watch how Bonds' arms are bent at contact and they extend afterwards. Note how the top hand quickly goes in front of the bottom hand. The the barrel is whipping around his hands as his hands go around his body. There is no pull or push of the bat in a straight line.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 42'sdad View Post
    Wow, some great feedback here. The bat she is using in the video is a 29/16, it is her lighter bat and only one that is not composite, so that's what we use off the machine. Her other bat is a 30/19. Remember she is only 4 foot 5 inches tall and weighs about 70 lbs. I'll put up some video from this weekends tournament for you guys to critique. Thanks again.
    The recommended grip improvement will make a big difference in reducing the noticeable recoil of the bat at contact and translate to harder hit balls.

    If my 155 lb DD used the same body weight to bat weight ratio as your 70 lb DD using the 19 oz composite, she'd be swinging a 42 oz bat - OMG!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmonsters View Post

    If my 155 lb DD used the same body weight to bat weight ratio as your 70 lb DD using the 19 oz composite, she'd be swinging a 42 oz bat - OMG!

    Is the 19 oz bat to heavy? She seems to be getting it around on the faster pitchers just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 42'sdad View Post
    Wow, some great feedback here. The bat she is using in the video is a 29/16, it is her lighter bat and only one that is not composite, so that's what we use off the machine. Her other bat is a 30/19. Remember she is only 4 foot 5 inches tall and weighs about 70 lbs. I'll put up some video from this weekends tournament for you guys to critique. Thanks again.
    I agree with the others that the grip needs to be fixed and that may play a part in the recoil, but if you do some physics calculations, it will prove that the 55 mph ball has too much energy for the 16oz bat, unless that bat is swung at a velocity that I doubt a 9 year-old could achieve. There are several ways to calculate force and force of collisions, but to keep it VERY simple here, just use the kinetic energy formula for each object (ball and bat).

    Ball at 55mph Kinetic energy of 9453
    Bat at 45mph (a guess for a 9 yo) Kinetic energy of 16200

    It takes kinetic energy value in the bat of about 3.5 to 4 times that of the ball, to avoid recoil. She doesn't even have 2 times the amount.

    You can't swing a heavier bat faster than a light one, but if you can get a heavier bat to the ball, it helps stop the recoil. For each extra ounce of bat weight you lose ABOUT 2/3 of an mph.

    The 19 oz bat at 43mph (2mph less) would provide 17565 kinetic energy. A bit more than the 16 oz, but still not enough to turn around a 55mph pitch.

    I doubt that many 10u pitchers are throwing 55mph. I'd get her to work on whipping the barrel more, using the body more and use the 19oz bat.
    Last edited by jbooth; 06-19-2012 at 07:16 PM.

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    Here are some vids of her in action on the field. Disregard my screaming wife I'm also throwing in a video of a nice slap. She just started slapping so that is still a work in progress.


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    Disregard screaming mom...lol


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    And here is the slap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 42'sdad View Post
    Is the 19 oz bat to heavy? She seems to be getting it around on the faster pitchers just fine.
    Not IMO. With the quality of her swing, and with a couple of improvements, she should be able to swing 19 or 20oz.

    When I was 9 they didn't have metal. I swung a 30in 26oz. I couldn't get it around on 12 year-old 65mph, but at 9 I was in the minors and got it around just fine on 45 to 50mph pitchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 42'sdad View Post
    Disregard screaming mom...lol

    You can see recoil in this one too. She isn't driving the top hand through. Meaning driving it past the bottom hand. This is done by using BOTH hands to torque the barrel. Squeeze the last 3 fingers of the bottom hand to pull the knob inward as you push the top hand through. There is an imaginary pivot point between your hands that you use both hands to torque around. She locks the hands at contact, they cease to accelerate the barrel right about at contact.

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