Can someone explain this concept? I think I have it right - ''tall in the fall''.
Tall in the fall
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OK, to answer my own question, I've stumbled upon this from FFS. Very helpful.
If anyone has more to add, please do. Maybe Rdbass will arrive with video aid.
First, the "fall" in the cue "tall in the fall" is a "fall position". The "fall position" is the very start of the forward movement ... when the COM (Center Of Mass) moves forward towards the pitcher.
The reason it is called the "fall position" is that the person that coined the phrase considered the "stride" to be "falling". The start of the "stride", or the start of the "COM moving forward", was thought of as "falling forward". Hence the start of this was referred to as the "fall position" ... simply the start of the COM moving forward.
Now the notion of "stay tall in the fall" is meant to not scrunch the rear leg in arriving at the position that begins moving the COM forward. Said differently ... the "rear leg" is "not scrunched", and if anything has a feel of assisting the body become taller to start the stride forward.
If anyone has more to add, please do. Maybe Rdbass will arrive with video aid.
First, the "fall" in the cue "tall in the fall" is a "fall position". The "fall position" is the very start of the forward movement ... when the COM (Center Of Mass) moves forward towards the pitcher.
The reason it is called the "fall position" is that the person that coined the phrase considered the "stride" to be "falling". The start of the "stride", or the start of the "COM moving forward", was thought of as "falling forward". Hence the start of this was referred to as the "fall position" ... simply the start of the COM moving forward.
Now the notion of "stay tall in the fall" is meant to not scrunch the rear leg in arriving at the position that begins moving the COM forward. Said differently ... the "rear leg" is "not scrunched", and if anything has a feel of assisting the body become taller to start the stride forward.
Good questions. I wouldn't think the two concepts are competing, are they?
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I think this move is an example of FFS's tall in the fall. Back leg straightens slightly as hip moves forward. No? Seems like you could sit and gather and then tall in the fall. I agree that I can't see that move in Hamilton.
FiveFrameSwing
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Here's the link to the "tall in the 'fall position'" .... http://www.discussfastpitch.com/softball-hitting-technical/11038-coil-into-lean-3.html#post124269
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Scrunching would be the bending/folding/flexing of the rear leg during what many would call the 'negative move'. Someone trying to jump straight up, would first flex into their legs before springing straight up ... that would be a form of scrunching.
Let's go over the cue "tall in the fall".
First, the "fall" in the cue "tall in the fall" is a "fall position". The "fall position" is the very start of the forward movement ... when the COM (Center Of Mass) moves forward towards the pitcher.
The reason it is called the "fall position" is that the person that coined the phrase considered the "stride" to be "falling". The start of the "stride", or the start of the "COM moving forward", was thought of as "falling forward". Hence the start of this was referred to as the "fall position" ... simply the start of the COM moving forward.
Now the notion of "stay tall in the fall" is meant to not scrunch the rear leg in arriving at the position that begins moving the COM forward. Said differently ... the "rear leg" is "not scrunched", and if anything has a feel of assisting the body become taller to start the stride forward.
Here is Pujols becoming "Tall in the Fall". Notice that he is not physically becoming taller ... his head is not being raised, although you will see the head raised slightly for many.
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Scrunching would be the bending/folding/flexing of the rear leg during what many would call the 'negative move'. Someone trying to jump straight up, would first flex into their legs before springing straight up ... that would be a form of scrunching.
Let's go over the cue "tall in the fall".
First, the "fall" in the cue "tall in the fall" is a "fall position". The "fall position" is the very start of the forward movement ... when the COM (Center Of Mass) moves forward towards the pitcher.
The reason it is called the "fall position" is that the person that coined the phrase considered the "stride" to be "falling". The start of the "stride", or the start of the "COM moving forward", was thought of as "falling forward". Hence the start of this was referred to as the "fall position" ... simply the start of the COM moving forward.
Now the notion of "stay tall in the fall" is meant to not scrunch the rear leg in arriving at the position that begins moving the COM forward. Said differently ... the "rear leg" is "not scrunched", and if anything has a feel of assisting the body become taller to start the stride forward.
Here is Pujols becoming "Tall in the Fall". Notice that he is not physically becoming taller ... his head is not being raised, although you will see the head raised slightly for many.
FiveFrameSwing
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I thought the ideal was for the hitter to get 'sat/sit'?
The notion of becoming 'tall' is prior to being 'sat'. In a sense, it was described as an action of becoming 'tall' to become 'sat'.
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FiveFrameSwing
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It is an 'anti-scrunch' action ....
