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    Quote Originally Posted by Quake Softball View Post
    Talked to someone today who said that ASA is rumored to be changing their eligibility date the Sept 1st instead of Jan 1st. Any truth???

    Sounds like poppy cock to me.
    Well, maybe.

    What was proposed involving Jan 1 was to change the REGISTRATION date range to Sep 1 through Aug 31.

    There was a proposal to change the age cut-off to Sep 1, but that is from the present date of Dec 31, not Jan 1.

    Both failed inspite of the fact that, IMO and others, both be a positive to all aspects of ASA softball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander58 View Post
    While I'd like to think ASA has good reasons for having the pitching distance at 14u stay at 40 ft., I can't help thinking they can't admit someone else thought of something first.
    No, that is not the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    No, that is not the reason.
    What is the reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander58 View Post
    What is the reason?


    It wasn't proposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    Well, maybe.

    What was proposed involving Jan 1 was to change the REGISTRATION date range to Sep 1 through Aug 31.

    There was a proposal to change the age cut-off to Sep 1, but that is from the present date of Dec 31, not Jan 1.

    Both failed inspite of the fact that, IMO and others, both be a positive to all aspects of ASA softball.
    So just out of curiosity why would changing the Age cut off to Sept 1st? I guess I am lacking the perspective to see how it would even matter in the big scheme of things.

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    I like the September date for eligibility at the younger age groups.That few months can make a diiference to girls who are still growing. I can see changing the registration date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    It wasn't proposed.
    Arbitrary is good.

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    In my understanding, ASA had a proposal to change 14U from 40' to 43' last year. In fact all the other organizations went ahead and changed their rules in anticipation of ASA passing the proposal. After all, the proposal made sense. But then teams started raising a fuss about it, using the previously mentioned BS reasoning, when in reality it had more to do with teams wanting to be able to play up and compete. It is fairly common for 12U teams to qualify for ASA Nationals, and then move up to 14U to play the tougher competition before going to Nationals at the end of the year. The proposal was defeated. It was not brought up again this year. Talk about "allowing each team to dictate policy".

    Part of the reasoning for the defeat was also said to be that if 2nd year 14U teams wanted to play at 43', all they had to do was move up to 16U. This is a real interesting solution. So, any good pitcher that pitches in HS has to decide whether they want to move back and forth from 40' to 43' to play ASA 14U, move to 16U ASA, or go to a different sanction. Two of the three options involve leaving ASA's 14U.

    Meanwhile, the good 12U ASA teams, now have an opportunity to qualify for Nationals at 12U, or take advantage of the weakened 14U level and try to qualify there as a 2nd year 12U team. Man won't that look good on the carrot chasers resome!! This could easily happen under the current rules of the 14U age group, and is the basis for my original question about changing the age groups to 16U and 13U. ASA seems to see no reason to change 14U to 43', so changing the age groups to more accuratly reflect the age groups and talent level of the girls participating would seem a logical step. I don't believe ASA will actually do it, nor do I think it is the best solution, but if they are not going to change the distance, 14U could become a "B" level division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTR View Post
    It wasn't. It doesn't need to be as long as a fair amount of 14U includes those eligible 12U. The "Keep-up-with-the-Jonses" mentality does, IMO, keep parents and teams playing above their natural classification. The pitchers who are capable of competing at the 43' distance are already playing at 16. Those who are not that competitive are still playing at 14 and they need to keep it where they can be competitive. The reason it was changed for 16U was to stay consistent with HS and 14U players are not HS players.
    Both my 14u pitchers this summer will be HS pitchers in the fall. They need to be throwing at 43' now. It's going to be an NSA kind of summer for us. It will be a repeat next year and the year after as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quake Softball View Post
    So just out of curiosity why would changing the Age cut off to Sept 1st? I guess I am lacking the perspective to see how it would even matter in the big scheme of things.
    It used to be in Sep, but was changed to coincide with a natural calendar break. Moving it back to Sep would effectively eliminate most of the college player concerns.

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