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Apr 11, 2012
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I always paid attention to those types of stats....obviously for batting philosophical reasons....as you have to stay ahead as a pitcher and have to stay ahead of the count as a hitter....that's not new....however, I am a HUGE believer in "QAB's".....now I don't think its more important than "RBI's", which IMO nothing is except "runs scored" .....but it is a very accurate stat method that will tell you who is the most productive players are on a daily basis and especially will tell you who getting it done when it matters the most (like pitches seen and 2 out RBI's)....
 
Feb 12, 2014
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I love game changer. It can really revolutionize how coaches coach at younger levels. However, as a scorekeeper, I always throw out the disclaimer that the stats are only as good as the person keeping the book.
 
Jun 27, 2011
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I always paid attention to those types of stats....obviously for batting philosophical reasons....as you have to stay ahead as a pitcher and have to stay ahead of the count as a hitter....that's not new....however, I am a HUGE believer in "QAB's".....now I don't think its more important than "RBI's", which IMO nothing is except "runs scored" .....but it is a very accurate stat method that will tell you who is the most productive players are on a daily basis and especially will tell you who getting it done when it matters the most (like pitches seen and 2 out RBI's)....

How do you define QAB? Do you like GameChanger's definition? I don't know GC's definition, but was curious. Is there a standard definition?
 
Jul 10, 2014
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I think they missed something on the QAB side. Using a straight number is likely misleading; it needs to be normalized, and even then we should probably be looking at QAB differential.
 

JAD

Feb 20, 2012
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I love game changer. It can really revolutionize how coaches coach at younger levels. However, as a scorekeeper, I always throw out the disclaimer that the stats are only as good as the person keeping the book.

As a coach you have to take stats with a grain of salt. A typical softball season is not long enough for stats to "normalize" like they do in MLB. There can also be a wide variation in the level of competition faced. Going 4 for 4 against a weak team may not be nearly as impressive as going 2 for 4 against a good team....
 
Feb 7, 2013
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While I like Gamechanger stats, they are only as good as the person entering the data which most of the time is entered by marginally educated scorekeepers. For example, the hard hit ball (HHB) is either a line drive or hard hit ground ball. Can a typical mom/dad scorekeeper really tell the difference and are they being consistent among teammates, other team batters, etc? And with errors vs. hits stats its wildly inaccurate. For example, after one rec season (16 games), several teams had ZERO Reached on Error (ROE) stats for any player! Conversely, their teams batting average was over .400! (no surprise there).
 
Jan 22, 2009
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South Jersey
While I like Gamechanger stats, they are only as good as the person entering the data which most of the time is entered by marginally educated scorekeepers. For example, the hard hit ball (HHB) is either a line drive or hard hit ground ball. Can a typical mom/dad scorekeeper really tell the difference and are they being consistent among teammates, other team batters, etc? And with errors vs. hits stats its wildly inaccurate. For example, after one rec season (16 games), several teams had ZERO Reached on Error (ROE) stats for any player! Conversely, their teams batting average was over .400! (no surprise there).

I am a dad scorekeeper and take my job extremely seriously. Yes I can tell the difference between a line drive and a blooper. I know that my coaches use my stats for lineup adjustments, etc. and my parents use them for their kids recruiting purposes. I give roe if the situation fits, I don't give hits on safe sac bunts (unless correct). I trust the QAB based on what I believe to be proper data.
 
Dec 2, 2013
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DD played on a team last year that manually tracked QAB's. In fact we gave that responsibility to the players as well as tracking first pitch strikes. By giving this to the girls it accomplishes several things. It gets them looking at the game within the game rather than focusing on hit or no hit. The players become more cerebral about the game and it gives them something to do while in the dugout. After a few tourneys they began to own the responsibility and the chatter in the dugout began to evolve into smarter softball topics. Pretty cool.

Defining QAB's are a little more subjective. BB, 6 or more pitches, barrel up the ball-but got out, SAC fly/bunt, a real hit, moving runners, etc. The team goal was to have 70% QAB's per game. Not easy, but a good goal to have.
 
Dec 12, 2012
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On the bucket
While I like Gamechanger stats, they are only as good as the person entering the data which most of the time is entered by marginally educated scorekeepers. For example, the hard hit ball (HHB) is either a line drive or hard hit ground ball. Can a typical mom/dad scorekeeper really tell the difference and are they being consistent among teammates, other team batters, etc? And with errors vs. hits stats its wildly inaccurate. For example, after one rec season (16 games), several teams had ZERO Reached on Error (ROE) stats for any player! Conversely, their teams batting average was over .400! (no surprise there).

Rocket,

You are mostly correct! Lets not forget that ignorance on this subject lives on both sides of the fence.

My personal favorite is the coach who instructs the scorekeeper (wife) that anytime a player doesn't make the catch and their glove touches the ball it's an error. WTH!
 

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