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Greenmonsters

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Calling Catchers IMO, a short and very good 2005 article written by R.J. Anderson (Assistant Editor at Coaching Management) that was published in
Coaching Management, 13.7, September 2005, Calling Catchers

Discusses benefits of the catcher calling pitches in the college BB game. Primarily interviews and perspectives from ex-pro college coaches. Here's an excerpt for an appetizer

"......
Catcher’s Advantage
Like most coaches at the NCAA Division I level, University of Minnesota Head Coach John Anderson is a big believer in developing his players into independent, critical thinkers. And for him, that education begins with the two busiest and most influential players on the diamond—the pitcher and the catcher. “My philosophy has always been that practice is for coaches, and games are for players,” says Anderson. “I believe in turning over as much of the responsibility of the game to the kids as I can and being more of a consultant during the process.”

That is also the thinking of Princeton University Head Coach Scott Bradley. A former Major League catcher, Bradley feels that catchers calling pitches is how the game is supposed to be played. “In my eight years here, I have yet to call a pitch from the dugout,” he says.

Philosophical and developmental preferences aside, the main reason coaches empower their catchers is simple: They’re in the middle of everything. These coaches are convinced that catchers are in a much better position to know what to call. “They see the hitter’s position in the box and how the hitter is reacting,” says Anderson. “They’re much more connected to the process than I am watching from the dugout.”

Bradley agrees. “I’ve watched a lot of baseball games, and I still don’t believe that standing in the dugout gives as good a viewpoint or as good a feel as the catcher gets behind the plate catching every pitch,” he says. “They see the movement, the life on the fastball, and they’re able to see the subtle adjustments a hitter makes in the box.”

Need more reasons? Anderson says that letting the catcher call pitches means a coach’s expertise and knowledge can be spread out instead of focused on just one aspect of the game. “You’ll also find you have more energy for the rest of the game,” he adds. “It takes a lot of energy to bear down and call every single pitch from the dugout.”....
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Personally, I don't believe that there can be any stronger endorsement for catchers calling pitches than when ex-MLB catchers whose jobs depend on their team's performance let their significantly less-experienced college catchers call the games. This supports my theory that unless you've done it, you don't know how much more effective it can be done from behind the plate as opposed to from the dugout.

nb I added the bold for emphasis!
 
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Good stuff. I know Candrea lets his catchers call pitches.

So battery parents and coaches: GENERALLY, what age level should catchers begin calling pitches? I'm guessing 14U.
 
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Agree with most of what was in the post. However, cannot escape the fact that the trend at least in softball is to call pitches from the dugout. Are the top programs making it to the WCWS simply misguided and eventually will see the light and do an about face?
 
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Good stuff. I know Candrea lets his catchers call pitches.

So battery parents and coaches: GENERALLY, what age level should catchers begin calling pitches? I'm guessing 14U.

I would say as soon as the catcher can work with a pitcher that has pitches worth the effort of calling. That could be as early as 12U or as late as 16U. If the pitcher has 5 pitches that all look the same, by calling pitches you are just facilitating the fantasy and the self indulgence. Conversely if they have some legitimate pitches and can throw to location it is a worthwhile endeavor.
 
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Nov 6, 2013
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Baja, AZ
I would say as soon as the catcher can work with a pitcher that has pitches worth the effort of calling. If the pitcher has 5 pitches that all look the same, by calling pitches you are just facilitating the fantasy and the self indulgence.

But Rise,

I've seen such pitchers in 12U, some with good catchers, and the coaches still call all pitches from dugout. So I'm thinking not many coaches relinquish that "responsibility" to able catchers in 12U, anyway. Presumably because the coaches want that control of the game and/or have not yet worked with the battery on pitch calling in practice, and/or simply don't trust the catcher?
 
Feb 17, 2014
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But Rise,

I've seen such pitchers in 12U, some with good catchers, and the coaches still call all pitches from dugout. So I'm thinking not many coaches relinquish that "responsibility" to able catchers in 12U, anyway. Presumably because the coaches want that control of the game and/or have not yet worked with the battery on pitch calling in practice, and/or simply don't trust the catcher?

I would agree with your statement. In addition in order to train a catcher to call pitches the person doing the training needs to have some level of pitch calling ability. Unfortunately, in all levels of softball that is not exactly a common skill.

I have trained quite a few catchers to call pitches and found that it cannot be done in practice. You can have philosophical discussions but you need an actual game environment to accomplish anything meaningful. What I have done is have them sit next to me when I am calling pitches. It is during that time they learn the basics and gain a foundation before doing it behind the plate. If calling pitches is truly a priority for them, then they can show that commitment by giving up some time behind the plate to learn and get the opportunity to do it in a game.
 
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Greenmonsters

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I would say as soon as the catcher can work with a pitcher that has pitches worth the effort of calling. That could be as early as 12U or as late as 16U. If the pitcher has 5 pitches that all look the same, by calling pitches you are just facilitating the fantasy and the self indulgence. Conversely if they have some legitimate pitches and can throw to location it is a worthwhile endeavor.

Definitely agree with as soon as pitches start getting called! And in the beginning, when it's usually just FB and a developing change up, I would still include the change prominently even if it isn't reliable because it means that the batters have to worry about timing on every pitch (if they don't, then its not being thrown enough!).
 

Greenmonsters

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Agree with most of what was in the post. However, cannot escape the fact that the trend at least in softball is to call pitches from the dugout. Are the top programs making it to the WCWS simply misguided and eventually will see the light and do an about face?

I maintain dugout calling in college is a product of 3 things 1) incoming catchers don't have the experience 2) coach reluctance to release control and 3) no first-hand appreciation of the degree of effectiveness between dugout and behind the plate. To the later point - How many SB coaches were catchers and called pitches when they played? How about MLB managers/coaches? There's a reason why, in a billion dollar industry, pitches are called from behind the plate. Give college coaches some catchers that have experience and the tide may change in SB.
 

Greenmonsters

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Feb 21, 2009
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But Rise,

I've seen such pitchers in 12U, some with good catchers, and the coaches still call all pitches from dugout. So I'm thinking not many coaches relinquish that "responsibility" to able catchers in 12U, anyway. Presumably because the coaches want that control of the game and/or have not yet worked with the battery on pitch calling in practice, and/or simply don't trust the catcher?

Youth and travel coaches call pitches because 1) they have more SB (or BB) experience than their players 2) the pitcher is often their DD pitching, who they know best 3) the catchers are untrained (and will remain that way as long as their coaches keep calling), and 4) some really like to show how much smarter they are than youth SB players and 5) it's fun.

So how does that help young pitchers and catchers develop? It does zero for their catchers and can significantly handicap a daddy coached pitcher, who often will have a difficult time adapting when dear old dad isn't the one calling the pitches for her.
 

Greenmonsters

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Feb 21, 2009
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New England
I would agree with your statement. In addition in order to train a catcher to call pitches the person doing the training needs to have some level of pitch calling ability. Unfortunately, in all levels of softball that is not exactly a common skill.

I have trained quite a few catchers to call pitches and found that it cannot be done in practice. You can have philosophical discussions but you need an actual game environment to accomplish anything meaningful. What I have done is have them sit next to me when I am calling pitches. It is during that time they learn the basics and gain a foundation before doing it behind the plate. If calling pitches is truly a priority for them, then they can show that commitment by giving up some time behind the plate to learn and get the opportunity to do it in a game.

Its definitely more art than science with no substitute for experience. It's not simply using a generic pitch call chart to ID the perfect pitch. Ultimately, its about sequencing the pitcher's strengths to exploit a batter's weaknesses given the umpire's strike zone within the context of a game. And those sequences must always be evolving lest they become predictable. It is very possible to pitch forwards, backwards, randomly, or some combination of those 3 all to the same effect.
 

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