The talent in your rec league: What's possible

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Jun 27, 2011
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Friend of mine told me today that his daughter, 14, has stopped playing travel ball, but wants to help coach an 8U rec team. To which I thought to myself that I remember her playing in 8U rec ball like it was yesterday.

It made me reminisce. We had four teams, a total of about 40 players. I coordinated it, then formed an all-star team from it, and we were fairly terrible. About a year later, we formed a travel team from that group.

In those days, everyone was new to softball, and we had questions about their potential.

So six years later, here are my conclusions. Wonder if your experiences are similar, different --

- About 20 percent of 8U rec players will be playing travel ball in six years. At least that was our percentage -- 8 of 40.

- The ones still playing aren't as athletic as you'd expect. The players' talent is relevant to whether they'll survive in travel, but probably only 20 percent of the puzzle.

- The best predictors of whether an 8U rec player will play and stick with travel are (1) opportunity, the ability to get on a team, an adult to organize and lead it, convenience, etc.; (2) how much they really like softball and the tournament lifestyle; (3) whether they have parents that are keen on the idea of them playing travel and are supportive of it.

- The bottom third athletically in a rec league probably won't survive. They will hit a wall and be forced out. But the rest will be fine if they have those three ingredients above.

- There is enough talent in a typical 40-player 8U rec league to have a very strong A-level travel team within a few years. But you won't be able to harness it all. Take your 12 best athletes, and a third will not like softball enough and probably choose another sport and a third will not have the right parents. The other third will stick with softball and become very good at it. But if you could take your best 12 athletes out of a random group of 40, and they all had the right stuff, you could be great.

edit: By 'great,' I don't mean win national titles unless you have something really special. I just mean solid A-level, maybe qualify for A-nationals. There were some really good athletes drop in for a cup of coffee, but you can't get them all to love softball.
 
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NEF

May 16, 2012
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New England
I have one DD entering 16U. Looking back at a 10U league of probably 10 teams. They only had 1 group (14/15 players) that committed summer to "allstars" Out of that group 1/3rd (most of the better athletes) now play another sport, another third still play rec ball, 4 play for "A" TB teams and 1 plays on a "showcase " team. So out of 100 or so kids that played that year only 5 moved on to a travel org. The rec league did combine summer allstars to include ages 13-16 and do have a fairly decent team. Would be very lucky keeping a 8U team together.
 
Oct 3, 2011
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Our rec league had 8 teams of 13 to 14 per team. I think the only players playing TB now are from my old team and there are only 4 including my DD. A majority of the players from our old league are playing HS ball for their local HS whether JV or Varsity but not TB. Of the 4 who are playing, 2 were the top players in the league at the time, one was a good athlete but struggled hitting and the other was in it for fun but struggled athletically. So out of a 100 plus kids, 4% are playing TB and only 2 of the 4 are playing on A level teams. The other 2 are playing on B teams.
 
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Jan 24, 2012
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I believe there is another factor involved in girls not going on to play TB. $$$. Oldest GD played TB for 4 yrs. Youngest GD would like to play TB. Both are good athletes and are reduced to rec allstars and school ball because of $$$. Facts of life.
 

JJsqueeze

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Jul 5, 2013
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Can I get a definition of A B and C level teams? I though A was all travel ball and B and C were rec league all star classifications in ASA. I think I asked this a while ago and either did not understand the answer or it wasn't answered so forgive my denseness.
 

NEF

May 16, 2012
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Can I get a definition of A B and C level teams? I though A was all travel ball and B and C were rec league all star classifications in ASA. I think I asked this a while ago and either did not understand the answer or it wasn't answered so forgive my denseness.

From USSSA site
Girls' Fastpitch Class “A” - Any team considered to be the highest level competitive travel team within CT. If your team is normally in contention to win each tournament you enter and you beat the "better" teams in your state, and you have multiple front line pitchers, then you should consider yourself an "A" team. A small percentage of teams qualifies for A.

Girls' Fastpitch Class “B” - Any team considered to be an average to above average level competitive travel team within CT. If your team is occasionally in contention to win a tournament you enter and you are competitive with most teams in your state, and you have solid but not overwhelming pitching, then you should consider yourself an "B" team. The majority of teams qualifies for B.

Girls' Fastpitch Class “C” - Any team that typically only plays in a local league, a town league, an all star team from a local league or a team that might only play in one or two tournaments a year. A "C" team is also any team considered to be an entry level or new travel team with kids new to travel softball and lacks the experience and number of skilled players and pitchers to compete on a National or State levels with the higher skilled Class “A and B” teams.


From ASA state site
Also take note that Class B and Class C teams MUST come from ASA Registered Spring leagues. If there is not an ASA Registered Spring league in any of the towns your players come from, you may be classified as B if 51% of your players come from one town and the remainder of the players come from surrounding (touching) towns. Further information can befound on the 2014 Travel Team Registration Form.
 
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Jun 27, 2011
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North Carolina
Can I get a definition of A B and C level teams? I though A was all travel ball and B and C were rec league all star classifications in ASA. I think I asked this a while ago and either did not understand the answer or it wasn't answered so forgive my denseness.

I forgot that the definition of those terms vary by region, among other teams.

It's very subjective obviously, but for me, an A team is one that plays in the highest division possible in every tournament it enters and can be competitive (no worse than .400) doing that. An A team also needs occasionally to travel outside of its region, or to play up in age division, to find adequate competition. An A team can play in an ASA qualifier, and while they might struggle to win a game, they at least have enough respect there that opponents aren't giving spontaneous high-fives and hugs when they see they've drawn you in the bracket.

B teams are those that will play in the 'silver' division if there's a gold, and can find a nearby tournament that suits its needs every weekend. B teams will play in the B division of World Series such as USSSA or NSA. Playing an ASA qualifier would be a waste of time and money.

C teams are entry-level travel teams, IMO.

In my state, where there are state rankings, I'd say the top 20 percent of teams are A. Half are B. The bottom third are C.
 

JJsqueeze

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From USSSA site
Girls' Fastpitch Class “A” - Any team considered to be the highest level competitive travel team within CT. If your team is normally in contention to win each tournament you enter and you beat the "better" teams in your state, and you have multiple front line pitchers, then you should consider yourself an "A" team. A small percentage of teams qualifies for A.

Girls' Fastpitch Class “B” - Any team considered to be an average to above average level competitive travel team within CT. If your team is occasionally in contention to win a tournament you enter and you are competitive with most teams in your state, and you have solid but not overwhelming pitching, then you should consider yourself an "B" team. The majority of teams qualifies for B.

Girls' Fastpitch Class “C” - Any team that typically only plays in a local league, a town league, an all star team from a local league or a team that might only play in one or two tournaments a year. A "C" team is also any team considered to be an entry level or new travel team with kids new to travel softball and lacks the experience and number of skilled players and pitchers to compete on a National or State levels with the higher skilled Class “A and B” teams.

Thanks, so this is not any sort of real classification it is more of a "self rating" system for a team to gauge the appropriate competition level. Ironic, but by that definition no teams that play USSSA out here would be A teams. They seem to have the weakest talent pool at their championships. I would go so far as to say that the classifications our here are more like this...

A level- Qualifies for PGF or gets to the quarter finals of TCS/USSSA world series
B-Level- makes it anywhere from the 3 round of TCS/USSSA to the quarterfinals
C-Level- washes out of TCS/USSA in first two rounds.
 
Jun 27, 2011
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North Carolina
My definition seems to fit what NEF is describing as USSSA. I've never played where ASA was hugely prominent. So my definition is more about the team's ability and not how it was formed.

Also, I notice that the percentage of travel players from our rec program (8 of 40) seems higher than others that are reporting. It's a small sample, but I'm going to theorize that smaller leagues give you a better chance. Also will note that we had two '99 girls who were playing up in 10U that rec season, and they're still playing, and one is a high D-1 prospect. SO if you are talking age divisions '99 and '00 that season and not who actually played 8U, our PCT is higher than that.

Theory - Smaller league gives you a greater chance to make the all-star team and to make an entry-level travel team IF you have parents motivated to start such a thing, and IF you are able to weather the storm of not being very good early on. Players that don't make all-star teams and early travel teams are more likely to move along to another sport or just play for fun than those who get those opportunities. I don't think my daughter would've made an 8U all-star team at many larger parks. And if she'd had to travel far to her early travel teams rather than playing at her home park, the experience for family and herself might've discouraged us in those early days, when you're trying to decide, 'Do we really want to spend our weekends doing this?'
 
Jun 27, 2011
5,089
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North Carolina
Thanks, so this is not any sort of real classification it is more of a "self rating" system for a team to gauge the appropriate competition level. Ironic, but by that definition no teams that play USSSA out here would be A teams. They seem to have the weakest talent pool at their championships. I would go so far as to say that the classifications our here are more like this...

A level- Qualifies for PGF or gets to the quarter finals of TCS/USSSA world series
B-Level- makes it anywhere from the 3 round of TCS/USSSA to the quarterfinals
C-Level- washes out of TCS/USSA in first two rounds.

In N.C., you will have A teams playing USSSA, but they'll often play up in age division, or they'll be pretty dominant.

How does the USSSA World Series compare to the NSA World Series? The fields in NSA in N.C. are usually a little stronger than USSSA.

Not sure what TCS is?
 

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