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Jul 4, 2014
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I am hoping to get some help from the resident experts about Recruiting Timeline for Ivies and D3s.

My daughter who is a freshman in high school has decided that her dream is to attend an academically rigourous D3 school but if the financial aid she receives is small, she'll then look at going to an Ivy. I realize that these are stretch goals. Without going into a whole lot of details about her academic ability, she's a very driven and hard-working individual with a career 4.0 / 4.0 gpa. Although a freshman, she's also taking a junior pre-calc class and has an high A in that as well. She'll be taking 3 APs in the sophomore year for a total of 12 by the time she graduates. She starts as pitcher but also plays outfield and 3rd base. She's a good softball player and plays on a highly competitive team. She's NOT Top Rank Powerhouse school D1 material nor does she want to go to a D1 or D2 school. She's only interested in attending an academically challenging college and play softball competitively. When not studying or practicing, she volunteers. She's won numerous academic and service awards and her university counselor has told her that she stands a very good chance at getting into one of the Ivies. She, on the other hand, is interested in going to one of the NESCAC schools so as to better prepare her for grad school.

She came to me a few days ago and told me that she's ready to start contacting coaches at these schools - NOT to be recruited at this time (because she knows that her being recruited is dependent on her getting accepted into these schools) - but she wants to reach out to them so that she can get on their radar and hopefully with feedback, she'll become the player that they want when it comes time to recruiting.

I think it's way too early to reach out to any of these schools. I fear that they'll get her info and stick it in a drawer and forget about it. What are you thoughts? Too early? Go ahead and email them? If yes, when's the best time? Everything I read says, "after sophomore year and during junior year". But she's never been one to follow the crowd. She thinks that waiting until everyone else does will mean she'll get lost in the crowd.

She's fully aware that there are contact limitations, ie. no in-person contact until after Jr year but she says that they can contact her via email or call her. I think she may be wasting her time.

If she were your daughter, how would you advise her? I'm at a complete loss. Thanks for your help!
 
Jul 4, 2014
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Thanks SoCal Dad. The Pennsbury camp is scheduled for June 2016, not 2015 because I told her that I didn't think it would be worth going at this point since the D3 and the Ivies (D1) won't look at her until they are confident she'll be a potential admit (I feel that grade 9 A's plus PSAT score of 188 on her first attempt as a freshman isn't going to garner much attention). Although in her mind's eye, she thinking.... no problem there so why the hold-up?

But is it even worth trying to get on the coaches' radar at this time? Won't they be busy recruiting classes ahead of hers to give her any time of day? D3 might call her but Ivies definitely won't. In fact, I don't think the Ivies would even bother with her at this time.

I'm trying to talk sense into her but maybe it's me who needs to be schooled?
 
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Thanks SoCal Dad. The Pennsbury camp is scheduled for June 2016, not 2015 because I told her that I didn't think it would be worth going at this point since the D3 and the Ivies (D1) won't look at her until they are confident she'll be a potential admit (I feel that grade 9 A's plus PSAT score of 188 on her first attempt as a freshman isn't going to garner much attention). Although in her mind's eye, she thinking.... no problem there so why the hold-up?

But is it even worth trying to get on the coaches' radar at this time? Won't they be busy recruiting classes ahead of hers to give her any time of day? D3 might call her but Ivies definitely won't. In fact, I don't think the Ivies would even bother with her at this time.

I'm trying to talk sense into her but maybe it's me who needs to be schooled?

IMO, it's never too early to get on the coaches radars. The coaches are smart enough to realize what class she is in. If she's not a pitcher or catcher (skilled position), then she may not be looked at too much. That being said, if she's a solid player at her position, they will most likely take note and keep an eye on her to see if she continues to improve in her skills. Since they are "not in the hunt" for specific position players so to speak until they get a bit older, as long as her grades are good and she continues to improve her softball skills, I would seriously look at the Pennsbury even at this age unless there is a financial deterrent. If she is not a "skilled position" player, don't expect to hear anything from anyone until her Junior year. You may get lucky before then via alternate contact. Also, many colleges are looking for the best athletes versus position players. So if she happens to be great athlete, she will be noticed as well. IMO I say go for it. The worst that could happen is she has a great time meeting new people.
 
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Greenmonsters

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IMO, its harder to get into the Ivies and the NESCAC schools than it is to play softball there. The biggest thing your DD can do to help achieve her future goals is to stay focused on her pursuit of academic excellence. IMO, there's no harm in your DD being proactive and abeginning to contact coaches now as long as she doesn't expect anything to come of it in the short term. Doing the Pennsbury academic camp as a freshman would let her know where she stands ability wise compared to her peers and older HS players and what to expect so that she's be more comfortable doing it Soph and Jr. years. Soph and Jr. summers she probably wants to attend target school camps. Tufts, for example, historically runs a camp that is staffed by a number of other NESCAC coaches; in the past, the camp has immediately followed the New England's Finest tournament, which provides a valuable game exposure opportunity if her team attends or she guests for another team if her team isn't in the northeast.

In case you haven't already, now is a good time for parents to assess the financial feasibility of supporting DD's academic goals. Sticker price shock should NOT be a deterrent as the Ivies and NESCAC schools have strong endowments and will basically cover everything above a family's EFC (expected family contribution). The FinAid website has a simple EFC calculator and is a good starting point. If a girl has both the academic and softball chops, early decision may be encouraged by a coach; however, regular admission may be a better option if the financial aid package is a critical part of the selection process.

IMO, your DD could wait a year before beginning the process with her target schools, but I see no down side to her starting now and commend her for taking a proactive and focused approach to determining her academic future. Good luck to you all.
 
Jul 4, 2014
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Thank you Yocoach and Greenmonsters for your valuable insight. I will advise my daughter to go ahead and write to the coaches at the schools she's interested in attending. Like you both said, there's no harm as long as she expects nothing in return. That's good advise.

Yocoach, we would love to attend the Pennsbury Academic camp this year but have already committed to attend the Valley Invitational exposure Camp in Oregon with her team and it'll be hard to be in 2 very separate places in a span of 2 days as such, we decided to put it off until next year.

Athletically she's a solid pitcher. We played against a U16 team yesterday. They are the top u16 team in our state and took the championship last year. My daughter pitched the first 4 innings against them and held them scoreless. She only gave up 3 hits in 4 innings and struck out 6. if she can keep up her grades and continues to develop as a pitcher then she'll be in a good position to get into her dream school and still play softball.

Greenmonsters, I will look into the Tufts camp. I wasn't aware of it. So thanks.

Again, thanks for your feedback. Much appreciated.
 
Nov 26, 2010
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I am hoping to get some help from the resident experts about Recruiting Timeline for Ivies and D3s.

My daughter who is a freshman in high school has decided that her dream is to attend an academically rigourous D3 school but if the financial aid she receives is small, she'll then look at going to an Ivy. I realize that these are stretch goals. Without going into a whole lot of details about her academic ability, she's a very driven and hard-working individual with a career 4.0 / 4.0 gpa. Although a freshman, she's also taking a junior pre-calc class and has an high A in that as well. She'll be taking 3 APs in the sophomore year for a total of 12 by the time she graduates. She starts as pitcher but also plays outfield and 3rd base. She's a good softball player and plays on a highly competitive team. She's NOT Top Rank Powerhouse school D1 material nor does she want to go to a D1 or D2 school. She's only interested in attending an academically challenging college and play softball competitively. When not studying or practicing, she volunteers. She's won numerous academic and service awards and her university counselor has told her that she stands a very good chance at getting into one of the Ivies. She, on the other hand, is interested in going to one of the NESCAC schools so as to better prepare her for grad school.

She came to me a few days ago and told me that she's ready to start contacting coaches at these schools - NOT to be recruited at this time (because she knows that her being recruited is dependent on her getting accepted into these schools) - but she wants to reach out to them so that she can get on their radar and hopefully with feedback, she'll become the player that they want when it comes time to recruiting.

I think it's way too early to reach out to any of these schools. I fear that they'll get her info and stick it in a drawer and forget about it. What are you thoughts? Too early? Go ahead and email them? If yes, when's the best time? Everything I read says, "after sophomore year and during junior year". But she's never been one to follow the crowd. She thinks that waiting until everyone else does will mean she'll get lost in the crowd.

She's fully aware that there are contact limitations, ie. no in-person contact until after Jr year but she says that they can contact her via email or call her. I think she may be wasting her time.

If she were your daughter, how would you advise her? I'm at a complete loss. Thanks for your help!
What's the harm? If she has a goal of attending a top academic school and playing softball there, how will it hurt her to email them now? Granted her only reply at this time might be a camp schedule, but again what's the harm.

It took me a lot of years to learn something and that is. Big goals develop big habits. If your dd is going to pursue her big goals, she will have to develop the big habits necessary to achieve them. My advice to her would be, spell check everything and have at it.
 

JAD

Feb 20, 2012
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Had to get the attention of top academic schools until a players junior year and you need to have an ACT/SAT score and GPA to qualify. Never hurts to email them now to hopefully get on their radar, but do not expect much of a response.
 

sluggers

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May 26, 2008
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It is great your DD has her priorities straight

D3 recruiting is a lot different from D1 recruiting. They don't start "really" recruiting until her junior year. Why? Because they can't offer her money. Without the money, the kid and parents have nothing to stop them from changing her mind about which school she wants. They don't have the time or budget to waste chasing kids. So, you can write them, but don't expect them to get excited until her junior year.

If she were my DD, I would encourage her to look at top schools other than the Ivy Leagues. Williams, Swarthmore, U of Chicago, Amhurst, Bowdoin, Davidson, Tufts, etc. are great schools. (Swarthmore and Amhurst are part of a consortium allowing students to take classes at any one of five top tier universities.) Those schools have endowments between $1 billion and $2 billion.
 
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Sure. Her info won't be "stuck in a drawer." She'll be added to a database. She'll also receive notice of camps, which will help keep her in the loop. Coaches won't get too excited until they see her junior year grades and SATs, so she'll have to sit tight for a bit. If she's already taking pre-calc I'd say she's ready to take a crack at the SAT. Or the ACT. The Ivy's are now accepting the ACT with writing, and you can take the ACT as many times you want and pick which ones to send to schools. Also - TAKE THE SUBJECT TESTS. She should take the Math II test this spring. It's best to take these tests when the content is still fresh, and it's hard to say, bone up on your freshman year bio when you finally get around to taking the tests as a junior.

Check out tier1athletics Home | Tier One Athletics for more info about playing for top academic schools.

One thing to be aware of: the endowments have changed the structure of the Ivy's a bit - the programs are now run much more like very competitive scholarship D1 programs. I know a few girls who are playing for the Ivy League, and a few who are playing NESCAC - it's possible that the NESCAC could offer a bit more of the balance that your daughter is looking for; but definitely keep your options open and see how things shake out over the next few years.
 
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