Re: C.Bluff serious infractions rules

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May 13, 2012
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Re: C.Bluff serious infractions rules

Not trying to re-direct the thread. But in expressing you opinions about this particular behavior, I'm interested in what sort of non-softball behaviors do meet the criteria for team consequences. Do all entail breaking the law? How about a DUI? A warning? Suspension? Removal from the team? Or a private matter for the family?
List your penalty for the following or add violation and penalty
1. Drug arrest no conviction
2. Drug arrest and convicted
3. DUI
4. Expulsion from school
5. Public intoxication with police involvement
6. Public intoxication confirmed but no police
 
Oct 11, 2010
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Anything short of a felony, I would have a hard time kicking someone off the Team on their 1st offense.

(Providing others drugs at a Team function comes to mind as an outright dismissal, you can always find an exception)
 
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marriard

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Oct 2, 2011
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Anything short of a felony? Lol...high standards, indeed.

I played on some teams with some pretty rough kids from some really rough situations when I was growing up.

Sports was one of their only positive outlets - in some cases their only positive outlet. It was not something taken away from these players lightly for non-sports reasons. In fact I can't remember it ever been taken away from them - if they could get to the game, they could play.

I am not sure why non-professional sports are linked so closely with school/morals/other non-sporting things in this country. The links at these levels either don't exist or are nowhere near as strong in most countries over seas especially where the 'club' system is the primary sporting path.
 
Nov 29, 2009
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When you start judging people you are on a very slippery slope. Especially for non-softball situations. Unless you have very specific team rules, things outside of softball should remain there. If the situation affects the team then it's time to address it. Until then, it should be up to the family to deal with it. If anything, offer to try and help the family help the player through softball if possible.

It's easy to want to want to imitate pro sports when you see professional athletes being disciplined in the media for misdeeds off the field. These are adults who sign contracts with their employer and the leagues.
 

Strike2

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Nov 14, 2014
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Why is evaluating someone's misbehavior a "slippery slope"? Laws are in place for a reason, and breaking them often has consequences beyond the confines of the legal system. Team related consequences for violating the law, or even some school / team policy, go well beyond pro sports. Players routinely get booted from college and HS teams for violations not even as serious as what the OP listed.

Let's not by hypocrites; as coaches, we make judgements about players all the time. We judge their ability, their attitude, their behavior, and even how their parents act. If you aren't discerning about who your kids associate with (coaches and players), then you are very much on another "slippery slope".
 
Jun 27, 2011
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Why is evaluating someone's misbehavior a "slippery slope"? Laws are in place for a reason, and breaking them often has consequences beyond the confines of the legal system. Team related consequences for violating the law, or even some school / team policy, go well beyond pro sports. Players routinely get booted from college and HS teams for violations not even as serious as what the OP listed.

Let's not by hypocrites; as coaches, we make judgements about players all the time. We judge their ability, their attitude, their behavior, and even how their parents act. If you aren't discerning about who your kids associate with (coaches and players), then you are very much on another "slippery slope".

Hard to comment on generalities, though.

What are some specific off-the-field offenses over which you believe a player should be disciplined on her travel team?
 
Oct 3, 2011
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I know it's difficult to comment on generalities but I have to say that I agree with Quincy. Drinking, doing drugs or dealing them, whatever, unless it directly and negatively affects my team or players, then I don't feel it's my place to intervene. It's not like getting caught drinking or smoking some weed hasn't happened to many of us when we were younger. If it happens today and the player's on my team, I'd just tell them to leave it at home and don't let it affect their play, attendance or show up drunk or stoned to a team event...ever. If they asked me for help and in directly involved me, that's entirely a different matter

When the rumors invariably got around the SB community how do you think it's going to go? Something like 'You know [insert name] who plays SS for Team X? She got caught smoking a joint out behind 7-11 by the cops! Boy Team X must be an entire team of junkies!'? Common sense tells us not. The discussion will almost always center around the player themselves. So why should I pile it on by kicking her off of the team when it may be the only good thing she has left in her life and could continue to be a positive influence?
 
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Feb 17, 2014
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Here is the way it works for my team:

"Any behavior on or off the field that diminishes the reputation of the team or its players is cause for disciplinary action up to and including dismissal from the team."

It is purposely vague, but as the head Coach I am the judge, jury, and executioner. FWIW - We have very few if any issues. In the past 10 years I have sacked 3 players. 1 for alcohol after repeated warnings. And 2 players who were great kids but the repeated conduct of their parents at tournaments became an issue.
 

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