Advantages of joining organization

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Feb 17, 2014
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Orlando, FL
You are wrong. How many female athletes play HS softball? How many female athletes play travel softball?

By these numbers, at least thy a factor of 2, there are much more HS softball players than travel softball players. probably way more than than. Who knows 3:1 ... 4:1 ... Does not matter to me. For you are presenting the argument and I know you are wrong, and I am right.

SO you will argue ... What does "benefit" mean. I mean it to benefit their life in a meaningful way. Teach them to sacrifice, to lead, to become something bigger than individually, give back to their community and if lucky, bring that town a championship.

But your meaning of "beneficial" Is vastly different than mine. So if you can more precisely define what you are really saying, maybe I can explain further.

I find in life as an old man, when opposing folks present arguments quite vague, it is best to get their thoughts as to the details, before making a definitive conclusion.

It is your argument not mine. It was you that pontificated "vastly more players benefit from HS softball, than travel." The problem with your hypothesis is that you fail to account for the 14U - 18U TB players playing HS softball. Not to mention the high number of TB players below HS age who who never end up playing HS ball and only experience TB and subsequently only receive benefits from TB. Regardless, when you look at the numbers it is without question that there are many more travel ball players 8U-18U than those within the limited age demographics of HS ball. So even before we discuss the benefits garnered from TB vs HS ball, your argument quickly fails under the weight of data.

As to the perceived benefits or lack thereof; your perspective and experience with TB is unique and arguably different than most on DFP. To your defense given your poor experience with TB your bitterness is quite understandable. However, I think most on DFP would agree that it is ludicrous to suggest that your experience it is somehow representative of the norm within the sport. Were TB so widely horrible and corrupt as you suggest the TB community would be shrinking and not experiencing significant growth year after year. So as to the benefits, the question really comes down to the experience of the TB players who also play HS ball. I submit that most would state that they realize significant more benefit (as most would define it relative to the sport) from TB than HS ball. However, given your poor experience with TB and bitterness toward it I am quite confident that you will disagree.

However, you may agree that both TB and HS ball have their inherent, unique benefits and to suggest one more beneficial than the other is probably misguided, since they are two totally different experiences.
 
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May 23, 2012
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Eastlake, OH
The benefits of being part of an organization vary depending on the organization. One of my daughters tried out for a team where a coach said something to the effect that being a smaller group they are less expensive. It was not true. I have a friend who played 10U at a high level, the travel expenses were silly, the team fees after a rebate were less than $400. That included multiple uniforms, college practice facilities, college players providing coaching, nearly all ASA/USA and PGF tournaments. Another daughter plays for an org that gets support from the local rec league that provides 2 tournaments and pays for an additional 2+ for a $100 player fee. Don't discount the value of 501(c)3 liability protection. The idea that you may have to cut players is BS though. I don't know your level or preferences but an organization should not micromanage a team. It's about the kids.
 
Dec 5, 2012
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Mid West
Had some similar issues here. Started my team in the fall of 2012 and have gotten stronger with every game played. However at the 16u level now the pool of players is draining fast!!!
Lost a couple players to jobs, and another to a bigger organization. Its getting nearly impossible to find tournaments. Unless you are an elite showcase/ exposure team there is not much available for you around here. We're having to driving three or four hours away to get tournaments, because the ones closer to home keep getting cancelled due to lack of participants. This weekend is the third time this year we were informed on Wed night that our weekend bracket got dropped!
 
Jul 2, 2013
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It is your argument not mine. It was you that pontificated "vastly more players benefit from HS softball, than travel." The problem with your hypothesis is that you fail to account for the 14U - 18U TB players playing HS softball. Not to mention the high number of TB players below HS age who who never end up playing HS ball and only experience TB and subsequently only receive benefits from TB. Regardless, when you look at the numbers it is without question that there are many more travel ball players 8U-18U than those within the limited age demographics of HS ball. So even before we discuss the benefits garnered from TB vs HS ball, your argument quickly fails under the weight of data.

As to the perceived benefits or lack thereof; your perspective and experience with TB is unique and arguably different than most on DFP. To your defense given your poor experience with TB your bitterness is quite understandable. However, I think most on DFP would agree that it is ludicrous to suggest that your experience it is somehow representative of the norm within the sport. Were TB so widely horrible and corrupt as you suggest the TB community would be shrinking and not experiencing significant growth year after year. So as to the benefits, the question really comes down to the experience of the TB players who also play HS ball. I submit that most would state that they realize significant more benefit (as most would define it relative to the sport) from TB than HS ball. However, given your poor experience with TB and bitterness toward it I am quite confident that you will disagree.

However, you may agree that both TB and HS ball have their inherent, unique benefits and to suggest one more beneficial than the other is probably misguided, since they are two totally different experiences.

I do not do bitterness. And will do a better job of choosing language to reflect that. Travel softball has been great to us. We appreciate what it has done for DD and family, and we always personally thank the folks in travel who have contributed to our enjoyment, and the ultimate rewards of the work. Many fine coaches go well out of their way, far more than I have the capacity to do for others. Believe you me, I am grateful, certainly not bitter.

That being said, I do not understand your numbers. Virtually all the travel softball players play HS softball, expect maybe for a small minority. yet for a bunch of HS teams, they have many non travel softball players. In my opinion, there are probably twice the number of HS players "per class" than travel players.

All of them benefit from it.

Sure with the younger ages you are correct. For at this stage in life, there is no HS softball. About half of the youngsters wash out. Really are not good enough for HS softball either. So on reflection I get your point. But still contend for the players who like softball well past an "experiment of young". The players who compete at a near adult stage, that HS softball benefits far more players.
 
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