My opinions here are simply that, My Opinions. I'm an ex expert. I no longer care to have to be right.
There are many women and girls who work out not only for the health benefits, but because they want to achieve a more athletic look.
The average American knows next to nothing about steroids. So it's common for people to just make up claims based on folklore that has almost no basis in reality. Some posts in this thread prove that. Most cannot look at a steroid user and accurately identify them as a user. I know teenage bikini competitors who are taking Winstrol. Their doses are just a lot smaller than the bodybuilders, so to anyone outside the steroid culture, it's not at all apparent that they are using. Livingontheroad knew the guys in his school who were using, but I'd bet most other people in the school were none the wiser.
Our society is big on indoctrinating girls from an early age that certain looks are more desirable and then we sell them the tools needed to get that way. The makeup and weight-loss industries are huge for a reason, so it should come as no surprise at all that some measurable percentage of girls would look for other shortcuts to help achieve their appearance goals. One of the main reasons most people aren't aware of how common steroid use is concerns the fact that, outside of physician-prescribed use, it's illegal to manufacture, possess, distribute, or use these substances. So, if you're not in the club, chances are you're not going to know who is using and who is not.
If you don't want your children to try anything, I still say it's best to educate yourself on the topic before simply trying to scare them with worst-case horror stories.
My dd is in 9th grade, her volleyball coach had every girl in the program lifting. They all went in the weight room and they all worked out during the summer.
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The ironic thing is that today, we could make excellent drugs with virtually no side effects, but since there is no legal market, it isnt done. Shame to many, Letting people perform harmful , risky surgery on others to change their appearance (lipo, implants, etc) is legal and accepted. Using hormones to prevent childbirth is legal and accepted. Using hormones to change appearance is.....forbidden.
Virilization of women wasnt a problem until the Feds got Drs to stop prescribing here in the US in the 80s. Then the black market exploded, 90% of what was available in US was actually COUNTERFEIT made by Milano Labs in Tijuana, but they contained what they were labelled with, in nearly correct dosage. When they shut that "good" lab down is when the big problems with counterfeits began. After that they often contained NO active ingredients, or if they did the compound was not what was labelled and/or dosage was not what it was supposed to be. The early fakes were ridiculously easy to spot, broken english, misspelled words, plain labels. Eventually they became very difficult to spot unless you were experienced. Often the telltale was that the lot no. on the label was printed with the label, not "stamped" . Even product purchased from mexican pharmacies under Dr. prescription was counterfeit. This is where many women thinking they were taking a mild anabolic suffered irreversible virilizing effects of unknowingly taking strong androgens. Enlarged adams apple, deep raspy voice, facial hair, and a clitoris so enlarged it looks like a penis in their underwear. Of course, some hardcores risked it anyway. I recall hearing of two bodybuilders that got busted bringing steroids back from Mexico. They spent several days in jail before the police realized that one of them was a woman, as she had not shaved.
You can still get limited stuff today, mostly by mailordering from overseas pharmacies and dealers. Occassionally "underground labs" pop up and supply real stuff for a while until the get busted. Since steroids are on the schedule III with drugs like cocaine, narcotics, etc, its serious stuff to get busted. Not only will you be prosecuted for possesion, but also smuggling, and intent to distribute. A first offender with less than 3 mo personal supply wont do time, but may spend $20,000 + in legal fees There are ways to mailorder where even if caught they dont have the evidence to prosecute you. Very risky though still. The safest is when UG labs are inside the US, as the US mail isnt opened, unlike almost all the stuff coming thru customs. These UG labs are the guys mixing powders in a bathtub and creating injectibles with varying amounts of sterilization.
Many opt to extract the trenbolone acetate from cattle implants and make their own homebrew injectibles instead. Kitchen chemistry at its finest. Others mail order the powders from china and do it too. Highly androgenic and definitely not something a woman should even get close too.
But the bottom line is, it is not that easy to obtain legit steroids on the black market anymore. Stolen shipments may occur and be marketed periodically. But many products out there are counterfeit containing no active ingredients, so even if someone thinks they are taking something, there is still a very significant chance that they are not. It is difficult to even purchase legit steroids in Mexico WITH a legal mexican Dr. Prescription today, at least in cities close to the border. To get away from counterfeits requires going deeper into Mexico. There are a few that people look for that have never been counterfeited and stick to those. Most users know how to spot the difference between the counterfeits and the real for the products they want, or they quickly learn too after spending $1000 for nothing a few times.
In the past few yrs, Drs are finally recognizing the anti aging benefits of testosterone supplementation for men. As men get older their serum testosterone level declines, leads to loss of lean body wt, fatigue, inability to concentrate, memory loss, etc. This is now called male menopause. It is a legit reason to treat with testosterone. So many Drs will give shots with a testosterone injectible like cypionate , but only in the office, they wont prescribe it. And a woman would be a fool to take testosterone. Androgel is a joke, and a hassle, it is only mildly therapeutic, takes weeks to raise test level only slightly, etc. These drugs arent an option for women, ever anyway.
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5% of girls trying steroids is scarey. Those steroids being fake, even scarier.
Do I think my 9 yoa dd and her 10u teammates are in the bathroom juicing so they can compete in a 12u tournament? No! I also don't think she is smoking crack or haveing sex with her 9yoa boyfriend(that she doesn't even talk to on the phone)? Heck no! Do I still need to talk with her about drugs and sex? Yes. You don't have to talk to your kids about these things but I will talk to mine.
As long as there are athletes there will be pressure to gain an edge. Don't make the mistake and think that this doesn't apply just because they are girls.
Like I said earlier, after talking to my dd about what happened at Penn State(and now Syracuse) steroids should be a breeze.
What I can't seem to tell her is that ther is no Santa Clause.
The internet has been a major game changer. Not only do potential users have easier access to materials, but they also have greater access to information about these substances.
Couple that increased access with the ever-increasing incentives for athletes to excel and this is something that's worth talking to young people about, even if softball performance is barely in the conversation.
Better option for many is a cruise ship that ports deep in mexico then returns to US. 2000 people getting off a ship in 15 min, you cannot even find a person to hand a customs card to.
Yes there is more available knowledge of how-to today. Its a far cry from when the only thing out there was Dan Duchaine's little book. Not sure if that is good or bad. But I wouldnt say access is easier. It is more visible for sure, but I remember when someone could purchase whatever was wanted in most any gym around from a good guy, or go to any Dr and they would prescribe it. That was "easy", and safe. Added benefit is the Dr would monitor bloodwork, cholesterol, pressure, liver, etc too. There are several paths for access today, none very good at all, IMO.
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